Team Evils thread

[jaqenhgar]

Can ppl please private message their 500pt and 750pt game results to me and I will update the results thread that's been started.
http://forum.redwarsoc.com/showthread.php?tid=2506
Cheers,
Chris

PS I love CC, best way to ensure stuff dies quickly and/or stops them shooting at you!

[Thom]

Use it as a normal Whirlwind - Tau Fire warriors are 4+ - so you'd kill those on 2's (no save).
With ignore cover, you could kill pathfinders on 3's (no save) and Fire Warriors in cover on 3's with 4+.
Better than the 2+ go to ground, ruins and shrouding he got against your barrage artillery last time!

Sicaran - shoot his skimmers straight away.

Drop combat shields, and go for power fists - insta killing anything but his warlord (T5) on a 2... his crisis team will lose combat and you could snag his warlord in the Initiative roll-off.

Drop Pods are really useful to get closer to Tau - Rhinos will get popped instantly if he has Hammerheads or even S7 missiles - FA 11 - 4+ Glances LOL!

I would drop pod your troops right next to his Tau - Template them first. Then use your awesome shoot everything twice rule for a turn 1 smash and grab.
Also - think Psyker with Telepathy. Tau soldier leadership is 7 or 8 if he has a sergeant - psychic shriek average dice roll is 11.
That is minimum 3 wounds no saves. Tau have no real anti-psyker, so drop pod a psyker too and hope you get invisibility!!

Hope that helps ha!!

[Alpharius]

Use it as a normal Whirlwind - Tau Fire warriors are 4+ - so you'd kill those on 2's (no save).
With ignore cover, you could kill pathfinders on 3's (no save) and Fire Warriors in cover on 3's with 4+.
Better than the 2+ go to ground, ruins and shrouding he got against your barrage artillery last time!

Drop combat shields, and go for power fists - insta killing anything but his warlord (T5) on a 2... his crisis team will lose combat and you could snag his warlord in the Initiative roll-off.

Drop Pods are really useful to get closer to Tau - Rhinos will get popped instantly if he has Hammerheads or even S7 missiles - FA 11 - 4+ Glances LOL!

I would drop pod your troops right next to his Tau - Template them first. Then use your awesome shoot everything twice rule for a turn 1 smash and grab.
Also - think Psyker with Telepathy. Tau soldier leadership is 7 or 8 if he has a sergeant - psychic shriek average dice roll is 11.
That is minimum 3 wounds no saves. Tau have no real anti-psyker, so drop pod a psyker too and hope you get invisibility!!

Hope that helps ha!!

Trying to build the list for all comers not just arifs tau. Psyker might be a good idea tbf.

Should i kit out my warlord for CC beastlyness (95 points) or spread the love around.

EDIT:- Also those fire warriors shouldnt have taken that cover save as you measure cover from barrage from the center of the template.

[manrogue]

Yeah, i'd avoid list tailoring, with the amount of MEQ in Escalation a balanced list is a better approach. You have to be careful with drop pods against Tau, one of the few armies that can deal with it due to being able to put interceptor on a lot of units.

As for your warlord, where will you put him?

I'd bang him with a squad, and which squad you put him with determine your load out.

[Alpharius]

Yeah, i'd avoid list tailoring, with the amount of MEQ in Escalation a balanced list is a better approach. You have to be careful with drop pods against Tau, one of the few armies that can deal with it due to being able to put interceptor on a lot of units.

As for your warlord, where will you put him?

I'd bang him with a squad, and which squad you put him with determine your load out.

I can either leave him barebones, put him with the support squad and give them tank hunters maybe. Or shove him on a tac squad and kit him to be survivable and killy in CC.

[Dedwoods42]

Thom - he doesn't have access to standard Whirlwinds, Power Fists are outshined by a lot of other stuff in 30k too.
Psyker access is limited as Librarians can't be your mandatory HQ slot.

Kitting out your Warlord depends on his role - Legion Centurions are support characters, hence the Consul rules. Praetors are what you want in combat, realistically - unless the points restrict you to a Centurion. A Praetor would also give you access to Rites of War. Here's another option list:

+++ Alpha Legion (1050pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1050pts) ++

+ HQ (230pts) +

Legion Centurion (95pts) [Power Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 1]
····Consul [Librarian]
····Profiles:
········Librarian: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:5|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:2|I:5|A:3|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p17

Legion Praetor (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Master of the Legion, Paragon Blade, Volkite Serpenta]
····Profiles:
········Legion Praetor: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:6|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:3|I:5|A:4|LD:10|Save:2+|HH:LACAL p14
········Combat Shield: Description:Confers 6++ invulnverable save, increasing to a 5++ in close combat. User is treated as having defensive grenades, but may never claim the extra attack for being armed with an additional close combat weapon. |HH:LACAL p89
········Paragon Blade: Range:-|Strength:+1|AP:2|Type:Melee, Murderous Strike, Specialist Weapon|HH1: Betrayal p235
········Volkite Serpenta: Range:10"|Strength:5|AP:5|Typeistol, Deflagrate|HH:LACAL p85

+ Troops (350pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (175pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Dagger]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90
········Power Dagger: Range:-|Strength:-1|AP:3|Type:Melee, Specialist Weapon, Rending|HH:LAICL p89

Legion Tactical Squad (175pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Dagger]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90
········Power Dagger: Range:-|Strength:-1|AP:3|Type:Melee, Specialist Weapon, Rending|HH:LAICL p89

+ Elites (180pts) +

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Profiles:
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Rapier Carrier): Unit Type:Artillery|WS:-|BS:-|S:-|T:7|W:2|I:-|A:-|LD:-|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Space Marine Crew): Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Quad Mortar: Range:12" - 60"|Strength:5|AP:5|Type:Heavy 4, Barrage, Blast, Shell Shock|HH:LACAL p83

+ Heavy Support (290pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolters]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sicaran Battle Tank: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:12|HP:3|Type:Tank, Fast|HH:LACAL p60
········Armoured Ceramite: Description:A vehicle with this wargear is not subject to the additional D6 armour penetration caused by weapons with the Melta special rule. |HH:LACAL p88
········Accelerator Autocannon: Range:48"|Strength:7|AP:4|Type:Heavy 6, Rending, Rapid Tracking|HH:LACAL p61

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)
····Profiles:
········Legion Whirlwind Scorpius: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank|HH:LACAL p64
········Scorpius Multi-launcher: Range:48"|Strength:8|AP:3|Type:Heavy 1, Barrage, Blast, Rocket Barrage|HH:LACAL p64

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

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[manrogue]

I'd avoid him on his own, easy first blood and slay the warlord rolled into one.

I'd go with him in a Tac squad myself kit him out as follows-

Legion Centurion (110pts) [Artificer Armour, Nanyte Blaster, Refractor Field]
··Rules: Consul, Independent Character, Legiones Astartes, Uncontrolled Replication
··Profiles:
····Legion Centurion: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:5|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:2|I:5|A:3|LD:9|Save:3+
····Refractor Field: Description:Confers 5++ Invulnerable Save
····Nanyte Blaster: Range:12"|Strength:5|AP:2|Type:Assault 1, Fleshbane, Uncontrolled Replication

Because of low points level don't want to go overboard with upgrades but adds a decent save, invulnerable and should have FnP if you put apothercary in the squad as well. Might be worth adding a bolter as well, as 2 pts will give you a shot at 24".

But it is down to your personal preference more than anything, so go with what you want.

[Alpharius]

Right then

Here is a bodies on the table list

+++ AL R3 (1050pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1050pts) ++

+ HQ (55pts) +

Legion Centurion (55pts) [Power Armour, Power Dagger (5pts)]

+ Troops (445pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Support Squad (125pts) [4x Legion Space Marines (60pts), Volkite Calivers (25pts)]

+ Elites (280pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (100pts)
····Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts)]
····Legion Apothecary (50pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts)]

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]

+ Heavy Support (270pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (155pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts)]

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

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I could drop a few upgrades here and there to build up my HQ or i could drop the apothecaries and make my seargants, HQ and sicaran abit better. Thoughts.

Volkite calivers are str6 ap5 24" heavy 2 and cause extra hits for every unsaved wound just so you know.

[Dedwoods42]

I prefer this list, Volkite is win too.
An apothecary for each Tac squad, Centurion with the Specialists or would you add him to a Tac squad too?

[Alpharius]

I prefer this list, Volkite is win too.
An apothecary for each Tac squad, Centurion with the Specialists or would you add him to a Tac squad too?

Maybe the specialists if i could get him an augry scanner. Let me check.

EDIT seems i cant without spending loads of points to be a forgelord. I feel to get him in close he needs 2+, but sitting at range he isnt going to be doing much usefull. Suggestions?