Havoc launcher rhinos

[Alpharius]

So based last tuesdays game against wakos sisters im looking at sticking some more rhinos in my army to transport my tacticals and hence i can drop the apothecaries and save on points.

This is one permutation of the list im looking at (and wont be part of the campaign).

+++ AL 1850 rhino (1850pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1850pts) ++

+ HQ (125pts) +

Legion Centurion (125pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Power Dagger (5pts), Thunderhammer (10pts)]
····Consul (25pts)
········Delegatus (25pts)
············Master of the Legion [The Coils of the Hydra]

+ Troops (630pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Havoc Launcher (15pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Havoc Launcher (15pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Havoc Launcher (15pts)]

+ Elites (615pts) +

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]

Legion Terminator Squad (220pts) [Banestrike Bolter Shells (20pts), Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), Plasma Blaster (15pts)]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant (10pts) [Grenade Harness (10pts)]

The Rewards of Treason (215pts)
····Iron Havoc Support Squad (215pts) [4x Iron Havoc (100pts), 4x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles) (20pts)]
········Iron Havoc Sergeant (10pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts), Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles) (5pts)]

+ Heavy Support (480pts) +

Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery (10pts)]

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (155pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts)]

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

Any thoughts on the rhinos and in particular havoc launchers would be welcome.

Cheers

Matt

[Agent0range]

Rhinos are so useful. They're aggressively pointed where they are expendable, while providing your dudes protection from literally any weapon. I'm a big fan of rhinos, as they help marines survive and allow you to get on maelstrom objectives much easier. Back in the day, I imagine T4 3+ and a bolter was pretty good, but 40K is so deadly that footslogging marines aren't a huge issue for most armies. That 35 point investment gives you mobility and protection, which is great. I'm usually moving my rhinos 12", maybe doing a little snapshooting, but more often than not just charging forward and grabbing objectives.

With my Chaos list, I go quite MSU with my marines, as I've realized bolter marines don't do much killin'. So better that they run about, score objectives in their metal bawkses and maybe dakka a few smaller targets. Plus any AT shots put into rhinos mean another turn of safety for my other armoured targets. In your list, if someone is shooting at your rhinos, then your Sicaran can carry on doing it's work.

I've started playing around with havoc launchers myself recently. It certainly gives the rhino some utility, and gives them some way of contributing early in the game, but with a havoc launcher they start getting a little expensive I think. I'm still trying out the havocs myself....it's just a shame its a Str5 AP5 blast, puts it in a weird position that there aren't many targets it's really "good" against. They aren't a terrible way to spend points, but if you're strapped those would be the first things I'd take off.

If your tac marines are in rhinos, where's the centurion hiding? Without a transport, he will cop a lot of anti-infantry fire. Is he coming in later from reserve?

Also, are heresy era rhinos special? How come they're 50 points?

[Alpharius]

Right had a re think.

First off, the 50 points for my rhinos included havoc launchers (@ 15pts). Then i decided my centurion needed some terminator buddies and maybe some special kit when he infiltrates up the table.

Said toy in this case is a nanyte blaster which is an anti infantry beast. Could be swapped out for a large blast sized void shield to give the terminators the same amount of protection as a rhino.

So without further ado.

+++ AL 1850 rhino (1850pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1850pts) ++

+ HQ (165pts) +

Legion Centurion (165pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Nanyte Blaster (40pts), Power Dagger (5pts), Thunderhammer (10pts)]
····Consul (25pts)
········Delegatus (25pts)
············Master of the Legion [The Coils of the Hydra]
····Profiles:
········Cataphractii Terminator Armour: Description:Affords a 2+ armour save and 4++ Invulnerable save, Slow and Purposeful, Bulky, may not perform sweeping advance. Models in a unit joined by a model in Cataphractii Terminator Armour do not have the Slow and Purposeful rule conferred on them, contrary to the usual application of the rule, but must remain in coherency with the joined character while they stay with the unit (which may limit their distance moved overall, consolidation moves, etc.)|HH:LACAL p91
········Nanyte Blaster: Range:12"|Strength:5|AP:2|Type:Assault 1, Fleshbane, Uncontrolled Replication|HH4: Conquest p223
········Power Dagger: Range:-|Strength:-1|AP:3|Type:Melee, Specialist Weapon, Rending|HH:LAICL p89

+ Troops (585pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (195pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Rhino: BS:4|Front:11|Side:11|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank, Transport|HH:LACAL p35
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90

Legion Tactical Squad (195pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Rhino: BS:4|Front:11|Side:11|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank, Transport|HH:LACAL p35
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90

Legion Tactical Squad (195pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (35pts), 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Rhino: BS:4|Front:11|Side:11|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank, Transport|HH:LACAL p35
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90

+ Elites (620pts) +

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Rapier Carrier): Unit Type:Artillery|WS:-|BS:-|S:-|T:7|W:2|I:-|A:-|LD:-|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Space Marine Crew): Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Quad Mortar: Range:12" - 60"|Strength:5|AP:5|Type:Heavy 4, Barrage, Blast, Shell Shock|HH:LACAL p83

Lernaen Terminator Squad (225pts) [4x Lernean Terminator (160pts)]
····Profiles:
········Harrower: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:5|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:3|LD:9|Save:2+|HH:LAICL p91
········Lernean Terminator: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:5|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:8|Save:2+|HH:LAICL p91
········Cataphractii Terminator Armour: Description:Affords a 2+ armour save and 4++ Invulnerable save, Slow and Purposeful, Bulky, may not perform sweeping advance. Models in a unit joined by a model in Cataphractii Terminator Armour do not have the Slow and Purposeful rule conferred on them, contrary to the usual application of the rule, but must remain in coherency with the joined character while they stay with the unit (which may limit their distance moved overall, consolidation moves, etc.)|HH:LACAL p91

The Rewards of Treason (215pts)
····Iron Havoc Support Squad (215pts) [4x Iron Havoc (100pts), 4x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles) (20pts)]
········Iron Havoc Sergeant (10pts) [Augury Scanner (5pts), Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles) (5pts)]
····Profiles:
········Iron Havoc: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LAICL p83
········Iron Havoc Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LAICL p83
········Augury Scanner: Description:Models cannot be deployed using the Infiltrate special rule within 18" of an Augury Scanner. A unit carrying an Augury Scanner gains the Interceptor rule against enemy units deploying via Deep Strike within 18"|HH:LACAL p88

+ Heavy Support (480pts) +

Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery (10pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Fire Raptor Gunship: BS:4|Front:12|Side:12|Rear:12|HP:4|Type:Flyer, Hover|HH:LACAL p54
········Avenger Bolt Cannon: Range:36"|Strength:6|AP:3|Type:Heavy 7|HH:LACAL p54
········Reaper Autocannon battery: Range:36"|Strength:7|AP:4|Type:Heavy 4, Twin-linked|HH:LACAL p54
········Tempest Rockets: Range:60"|Strength:6|AP:4|Type:Heavy 1, Sunder, One-shot|HH:LACAL p47

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (155pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts)]
····Profiles:
········Legion Sicaran Battle Tank: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:12|HP:3|Type:Tank, Fast|HH:LACAL p60
········Armoured Ceramite: Description:A vehicle with this wargear is not subject to the additional D6 armour penetration caused by weapons with the Melta special rule. |HH:LACAL p88
········Accelerator Autocannon: Range:48"|Strength:7|AP:4|Type:Heavy 6, Rending, Rapid Tracking|HH:LACAL p61

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)
····Profiles:
········Legion Whirlwind Scorpius: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank|HH:LACAL p64
········Scorpius Multi-launcher: Range:48"|Strength:8|AP:3|Type:Heavy 1, Barrage, Blast, Rocket Barrage|HH:LACAL p64

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

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