League list help

[manrogue]

Really struggling to decide on a balanced list for the league, which of these do people prefer?
List 1 far sight bomb with shadowsun

Unnamed1500 Pts - Tau Empire Army

1 Commander Farsight (HQ) @ 165 Pts
Trait: Through Boldness, Victory; #Shield Generator; #The Dawn Blade; Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Plasma Rifle; Warlord

1 Commander Shadowsun (HQ) @ 155 Pts
Jet Pack Infantry; (character); Stealth; Shrouded; Defender of the Greater Good; Independent Character; Infiltrate; Supporting Fire; #Advanced Targeting System; XV22 Stealth Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Fusion Blaster (x2)

1 MV52 Shield Generator Drone @ [20] Pts

1 XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team (Farsight's) (HQ) @ 471 Pts
Sworn Protector; Very Bulky; Command and Control Node; Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite; Neuroweb System Jammer; Flamer (x1); Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker

1 Crisis Bodyguard #1 @ [67] Pts
Target Lock; Fusion Blaster (x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #2 @ [67] Pts
Vectored Retro-thrusters; Plasma Rifle (x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #3 @ [67] Pts
Target Lock; Fusion Blaster (x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #4 @ [67] Pts
Flamer (x1); Plasma Rifle (x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #5 @ [62] Pts
Plasma Rifle (x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #6 @ [67] Pts
Flamer (x1); Plasma Rifle (x2)

1 XV104 Riptide (Elites) @ 190 Pts
Early Warning Override; Riptide Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Ion Accelerator; TL Fusion Blaster

1 XV104 Riptide (Elites) @ 205 Pts
Velocity Tracker; Early Warning Override; Riptide Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Heavy Burst Cannon; TL Fusion Blaster

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 54 Pts

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 54 Pts

2 XV88 Broadside Team (Heavy Support) @ 140 Pts
Early Warning Override; TL Heavy Rail Rifle; TL Smart Missile System

6 Pathfinder Team (Fast Attack) @ 66 Pts

Models in Army: 32
Total Army Cost: 1500

Not much scoring in this list, reserve heavy, deep striking farsight and his bodyguard with shadow sun to give shrouded and stealth. Riptides and broadsides kill as much as possible (preferably anything with Interceptor!) before Farsight and crew drop in to clean up.

List 2 Gunline list

1 Commander (HQ) @ 143 Pts
Drone Controller; Puretide Engram Neurochip; Vectored Retro-thrusters; Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Plasma Rifle (x2)

1 Commander (HQ) @ 143 Pts
Drone Controller; Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite; Command and Control Node; Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Flamer (x1); TL Flamer (x1); Warlord

1 XV104 Riptide (Elites) @ 190 Pts
Jet Pack Monstrous Creature; Nova Reactor; Supporting Fire; #Riptide Shield Generator; Early Warning Override; Riptide Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Ion Accelerator; TL Fusion Blaster

1 XV104 Riptide (Elites) @ 210 Pts
Jet Pack Monstrous Creature; Nova Reactor; Supporting Fire; #Riptide Shield Generator; Velocity Tracker; Early Warning Override; Riptide Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Ion Accelerator; TL Fusion Blaster

1 XV8 Crisis Team (Elites) @ 243 Pts
Target Lock; Fusion Blaster (x2); Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker
2 Crisis Shas'ui #1 @ [81] Pts
Target lock; Plasma Rifle (x2)
6 Drones @ [72] Pts
Markerlight (x2)

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 134 Pts
1 Devilfish @ [80] Pts

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 54 Pts

3 XV88 Broadside Team (Heavy Support) @ 267 Pts
TL Heavy Rail Rifle; TL Smart

6 Drones @ [72] Pts
Missile Pod

6 Pathfinder Team (Fast Attack) @ 66 Pts

1 Aegis Defence Line @ 50 Pts

Models in Army: 44
Total Army Cost: 1500

Commander with PEN chip goes with broadsides for tank hunter or monster hunter behind Aegis, giving missile drones 12 BS 5 S7 Ap4 shots.
Commander with MSV and C&C node goes with Crisis suits to light up stuff up for broadsides or Riptides.


Both look really fun lists, hence why i am struggling to choose one!

[Embolden]

Farsight! Farsight! Farsight!! But try to get a Comms Relay... Bastion or Aegis, making sure you're not tabled/crippled before your Council arrives.

These links might give you some ideas:
http://www.40kglobal.com/2013/05/23/the-...lls-part3/
http://www.40kglobal.com/2013/05/31/the-...rt-part-1/

[manrogue]

Yeah the Farsight bomb is very tempting, just can't run it as effectively as could at 1750-1850 points. Trying to trim the Fat is really hard to get it to 1500.....

They recommend taking full drones in the bomb (16 drones total) to deal with hordes etc and weight of fire people, but our meta at the club is less hordes and more elite, hence the 2 riptides and Broadsides in my Bomb. I could drop the broadsides or a Riptide to get the drones in i suppose......

And yes i forgot to put a Aegis & comms relay in, cheers Rob for reminding me!

[manrogue]

Revised, any better?

Tau Empire Army

1 Commander Farsight (HQ) @ 165 Pts

1 Commander Shadowsun (HQ) @ 135 Pts

1 XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team (Farsight's) (HQ) @ 652 Pts
Jet Pack Infantry; Supporting Fire; Sworn Protector; Very Bulky; Command
and Control Node; Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite; Neuroweb System Jammer;
Flamer (x1); Crisis Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker

1 Crisis Bodyguard #1 @ [109] Pts
Puretide Engram Neurochip; Drone Controller; Plasma Rifle (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #2 @ [91] Pts
Vectored Retro-thrusters; Plasma Rifle (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #3 @ [91] Pts
Target Lock; Fusion Blaster (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #4 @ [91] Pts
Target Lock; Fusion Blaster (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #5 @ [86] Pts
Plasma Rifle (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

1 Crisis Bodyguard #6 @ [86] Pts
Plasma Rifle (x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine
(x2)

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; TL Pulse Carbine (x2)

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 54 Pts

6 Fire Warrior Team (Troops) @ 54 Pts

1 XV104 Riptide (Elites) @ 210 Pts
Early Warning Override; Velocity Tracker; Riptide Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker; Ion Accelerator; TL Fusion Blaster

2 XV88 Broadside Team (Heavy Support) @ 160 Pts
Advanced Targeting System; TL Heavy Rail Rifle; TL Smart Missile System; Broadside Battlesuit; Blacksun Filter; Multi-Tracker

2 Drones @ [24] Pts
Jet Pack Infantry (Drone); Supporting Fire; Missile Pod (x2)

1 Aegis Defence Line @ 70 Pts
Comms Relay

Models in Army: 41
Total Army Cost: 1500

[Embolden]

Personally I would drop the Broadsides, unless they were taking High Yield Missiles... :p then the trade off in fire power isn't too bad and you have another unit.

I thought you had drones originally otherwise I would of mentioned it, with Pathfinders adding Markerlight support, Drones are pretty much a must for the amount of fire power they bring at 12pt each, I would also suggest a Skyray for additional/mobile markerlights to keep up with the council.

[manrogue]

Cause of the C&C node and MSV i don't need markerlight support as i get re-rolls on all shooting and ignore cover. It is a right pain trying to do a Farsight bomb at 1500 pts!

I was tempted to drop shadowsun, but like what she brings to the table (shrouded and stealth to the unit).

[manrogue]

What about if i drop Shadowsun and the broadsides and add another Riptide and Skyray?

[Embolden]

What about if i drop Shadowsun and the broadsides and add another Riptide and Skyray?

I wouldn't add another Riptide, maybe another scoring unit? It's a tough call though.

How about:

Farsight - 165
Commander - Armour, Plasmax2, Drone Controller, Retro Thrust, Pure Tide, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 112
Body Guard 1 - Flamer, C&C Node, Multi Spec, 2 Gun Drones - 96
Body Guard 2 - Plasmax2, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 3 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 4 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 5 - 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 6 - 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91

6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54

Riptide - Skyfire, Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 210
Riptide - Skyfire, Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 210

Aegis - Comms relay - 70

Leaves you with 20pts for something fun (of it I've missed something).

This list is EXTREME!

[manrogue]

What about if i drop Shadowsun and the broadsides and add another Riptide and Skyray?

I wouldn't add another Riptide, maybe another scoring unit? It's a tough call though.

How about:

Farsight - 165
Commander - Armour, Plasmax2, Drone Controller, Retro Thrust, Pure Tide, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 112
Body Guard 1 - Flamer, C&C Node, Multi Spec, 2 Gun Drones - 96
Body Guard 2 - Plasmax2, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 3 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 4 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 5 - 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 6 - 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91

6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54

Riptide - Skyfire, Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 210
Riptide - Skyfire, Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 210

Aegis - Comms relay - 70

Leaves you with 20pts for something fun (of it I've missed something).

This list is EXTREME!

I am going with this i think......

Farsight - 165
Shadowsun - 135
Body Guard 1 - Flamer, C&C Node, Multi Spec, 2 Gun Drones - 96 (566 total)
Body Guard 2 - Plasmax2, DC, PEN, 2 Gun Drones - 109
Body Guard 3 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 4 - 2 Fusion Guns, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 5 - Plasmax2, VRT 2 Gun Drones - 91
Body Guard 6 - Plasmax2, NWSJ 2 Gun Drones - 88

6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54
6 Fire Warriors - 54

Riptide - Skyfire, Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 210
Riptide - Interceptor, Fusion Guns, Ion Accelerator - 190
Aegis - Comms relay - 70
1498 total

[jaqenhgar]

Ouch!