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RE: New Eldar? - Nick1988 - 20-04-2015
The wind riders look nasty but 600+ points into a unit is very eggs in one basket. If you can tie them up in combat with something as weak as scarabs you have a chance. Also any hulls av 12 upwards can't be touched although the wraith knights will take care of those easily. Gonna be a super tough army to play against but every rock has it's paper.
RE: New Eldar? - jjakaalbinoboy - 20-04-2015
I might stop collecting Eldar lol
RE: New Eldar? - manrogue - 20-04-2015
Which unit is 600+ Pts?
10 jetbikes with scatter lasers is only 270 Pts (17PPM and 10 for laser), i expect themto be run in squads of 5 myself with a couple of bigger units.
The main complaint i have seen leveled at the new codex is everything is to cheap.
For example, lets compare WK to Barbed Hierodule-
Wraithknight (295pts) [Two Heavy Wraithcannons] (old stats, bound to be same)
····Rules: Ancient Doom, Fearless
····Profiles:
········Wraithknight: Unit Type:Jump Monstrous Creature|WS:4|BS:4|S:10|T:8|W:6|I:5|A:4|Ld:10|Save:3+
········Heavy Wraithcannon: Range:36"|Strength
|AP:2|Type:Assault 1, DistortBarbed Hierodule (565pts)
····Rules: Agile
····Profiles:
········Barbed Hierodule: Unit Type:Gargantuan creature|WS:4|BS:3|S:10|T:8|W:6|I:3|A:5|Ld:10|Save:3+
········Bio-cannon: Range:48"|Strength:10|AP:3|Type:Assault 6|Apocalypse 2012 p163
········Scything Talons: Range:-|Strength:User|AP:6|Type:Melee|Codex: Tyranids p63
So how exactly is the WK 270 Pts cheaper when it is miles better than a Heirodule?
RE: New Eldar? - manrogue - 20-04-2015
(20-04-2015, 10:54 PM)jjakaalbinoboy Wrote: I might stop collecting Eldar lolLol, I wouldn't, your list is quite balanced as is. Just avoid adding 4 WK's(and to think people moaned about riptides... ) and 20 scatriders and you'll be fine.
RE: New Eldar? - Embolden - 21-04-2015
(20-04-2015, 11:02 PM)manrogue Wrote: Which unit is 600+ Pts?
Once you start to add farseers into units the points will Sky rocket
RE: New Eldar? - jjakaalbinoboy - 21-04-2015
(20-04-2015, 11:13 PM)manrogue Wrote:(20-04-2015, 10:54 PM)jjakaalbinoboy Wrote: I might stop collecting Eldar lolLol, I wouldn't, your list is quite balanced as is. Just avoid adding 4 WK's(and to think people moaned about riptides... ) and 20 scatriders and you'll be fine.
Haha yeah perhaps
RE: New Eldar? - manrogue - 21-04-2015
(21-04-2015, 07:29 AM)Embolden Wrote:Do you think competitive lists will though?(20-04-2015, 11:02 PM)manrogue Wrote: Which unit is 600+ Pts?
Once you start to add farseers into units the points will Sky rocket
I'd go something similar to this in a bike spam list -
2 x Jetseer 230ish (not sure if points changed yet)
10 Scatriders 270
5 Scatriders 135
5 Scatriders 135
5 Scatriders 135
5 Scatriders 135
WK 295 W/shield sword load out(with lasers or starcannons, not sure on upgrade price yet though)
Wraith guard w/D-scythe in serpent 325
Around 1650 Pts
Bang the WK upfront to go draw fire and get into combat ASAP, bikes sit back shooting 120 S6 shots from range then jumping out of range/behind cover, serpent flies up field and unloads its WG with D templates at biggest threat. Laugh as it kills anything it looks at with in one round of template dropping.
Just a shame you can't get WG in a falcon for deepstrike.
Obviously people who are used to Eldar etc will be able to list bash better lists, but is still a horrible list to face.
RE: New Eldar? - Dedwoods42 - 21-04-2015
There's been a lot of divided opinion being tossed about in the Tyranid Hive - for obvious reasons lots of players are very stroppy about the whole thing. Others will simply wait until it comes out then adapt to it, which seems like the most level headed way to do things.
That WK/Barbie comparison hurts a bit, but I guess the Barbie fills the role of reliable long-range anti-armour that 'nids can't get anywhere else, and as such the cost is massively inflated.
I'm just super happy that Eldar can no longer use Malefic Daemonology - as the concept of Eldar summoning daemons is so anti-fluff that it just screams of WAAC. Never understood why the most anti-Chaos race in the 40K universe was able to summon it.
RE: New Eldar? - Alpharius - 21-04-2015
My 30k marines are crying in a corner at how expensive they are compared to this codex. Bringing a wraithknight with D should not be cheaper than a land raider. Maybe equal to a primarch but christ.
Hear my pleas forgeworld.
RE: New Eldar? - Thom - 21-04-2015
For me, this is simple:
<1 WK - fair, lets play.
>1 WK - I'll shake your hand and concede.